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Gloria Steinem claimed that women who support Bernie Sanders do so to meet men. She has apologized for it since--and far be it from me to deny any actual apologies made for an asshole statement--but isn't this the kind of statement that we would have thought was never in her vocabulary as a feminist--as one of our primary feminists? And the statement that preceded it, "When you’re young, you’re thinking: ‘Where are the boys? The boys are with Bernie,’ ” is an incredible slap to young women, Ms. Steinem's way of saying they aren't serious; they aren't idealists; they don't have causes. This from someone who was one of feminism's brightest lights as a young woman.

Madeleine Albright told women that there was a special spot in hell for women who did not support other women. Really? We are all supposed to fall in line and support any woman, however poorly we feel about that woman's attitude, record, plans, and associates? By these lights, we should be voting for Carly Fiorina, except she's running for the same office. Whatever happened to a woman's right to vote her conscience, Madeleine?

Is this how it's going to be? No wonder younger women are so disillusioned with the feminist movement, when its elders savage those who don't toe the "party line" and vote for those these selfsame elders alone feel are right for the office. No one wants to be told she is voting her ovaries, or his/zir friend is doing so. Having battled for the right to have it accepted that we have brains, very few of us want to be told we are to put ours aside and only choose candidates with the proper reproductive glands. Isn't the whole (ideal) point of an election that voters carefully consider the qualifications and (firm) political positions of the candidates, regardless of gender, and vote for the least equivocal choice, human nature being what it is?

I have waited 50 long years to vote for a woman for president--but this will not be that year. I have come a long way from the little girl who cheered for Margaret Chase Smith at the Republican Convention, and cried when she failed the ballot, not then understanding the difference between Republicans and Democrats. I have come a very long way indeed, because I cannot vote for a candidate I do not trust to retain her stated beliefs from year to year, who only remembered to court the feminist vote when her numbers didn't live up to her expectation. This candidate signed the Patriot Act twice. She pushed for our Afghanistan troop surge as Secretary of State, supports the deadly "drone war", and brags about increasing sanctions on Iran when Iran's people were the ones who suffered for it, not those who supported its nuclear program. I can't begin to put words to my disgust for her pals on Wall Street, who pay her campaign bills as they enrich themselves, make the poor poorer, and slowly suck the middle class into poverty. (I know a lot about poverty. Ask me about it sometime.) She has promoted hydrofracking (a process I've spent the last five years arguing against in my state) on a worldwide basis. (Who knows? Maybe, with this record, she should have run as a Republican, but I guess Bill would be a problem then.)

Being a feminist means making up your own mind. It means not slamming other women, whether they are making cookies, banging your feckless husband, or being slammed by your friends. It means considering all of the options, and then voting what YOU feel is right. And that goes for Independents (like me) and Republican women, too.

EDITED TO ADD:
And now I find I will be voting for Clinton, because the alternative is so much worse. Politics. Ain't it grand?

Date: 2016-02-09 10:34 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] lazchan
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I vote for the person that matches the most with my ideals and I do not care about the gender. It's a silly thing to think about and one shouldn't let gender determine who to vote for! I don't like getting into deep political discussions with who is best on what ballot and no one should make you feel bad for your choice.

Date: 2016-02-10 12:56 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] phye
This election is not about who governs the country for the next four years: it's about who appoints the Supreme Court justices who will legislate for the next twenty years. There will be at least one, if not more, vacancies during this coming presidential term, and whoever is elected will be choosing the replacements.

I much prefer Saunders' positions to Clinton's, but if Clinton gets the nomination, I will be voting for her in the election. Allowing any of the current Republican candidates to choose a new justice could be disastrous.

Those comments are Albright's and Steinem's, not Clinton's. For all Steinem's influence in the development of feminism, she is problematic in other ways, as I'm sure you know. I absolutely disagree with both Albright and Steinem, but I won't ascribe their opinions to Clinton just because they support her. Many of Bernie's supporters have been spouting misanthropic claptrap all over Twitter, and I don't think he is responsible for that either!

Date: 2016-02-10 06:14 am (UTC)From: [personal profile] gehayi
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I do not like Clinton one bit--but if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, I will vote for her to keep Trump, Cruz, Rubio and their ilk out of the White House and away from any Supreme Court appointments. I am more afraid of the Rethuglican candidates than I am of her, and I will block them any way that I can.

Date: 2016-02-11 05:48 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] gehayi
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Agreed. I really, really wish that Bernie would get the nomination and not Clinton. I'm very much afraid of what will happen if he doesn't--namely, Bernie's supporters being disgusted and refusing to vote in November. When voter turnout is low, Rethuglicans win.

Thank you!

Date: 2016-02-10 05:43 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
Oh, goodness. Seeing this, a statement defending the feminism I ascribe to from an author whose characters were my role models and first feminist teachers, makes my little feminist heart so happy. After seeing those deeply disappointing statements from such respected leaders within the movement, I needed this! Thank you!

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Date: 2016-02-20 02:10 am (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
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Date: 2016-02-10 07:26 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
I agree. Not my kind of feminism! Very disappointed!

Date: 2016-02-13 04:16 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
Unless The Dems get a majority in Congress a Democrat as president will have to spend the entire term on the defensive. And unless the Dems get their act together if by some miracle they get the House and Senate it will nbe the same disaster that attended Obama's third year in office.

my sympathies to America

Date: 2016-02-15 06:23 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] felmuffinmindset
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Good on you Tamora.

I'm grateful that my vote was the majority and we got Trudeau in office.
I'm hoping that you guys get a president whose interested in helping the country
not running a business based on propaganda

I could not agree more!

Date: 2016-02-17 02:25 pm (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
I have been ranting about this same thing for the past few weeks, but could not have said it better than you! Thank you for your eloquent insight! ~Simone.

Date: 2016-02-22 08:50 pm (UTC)From: [personal profile] saharafrost
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This. This so much! This is me exactly. I am one of those "disillusioned" younger women who rejected the feminist movement for the exact reasons you just listed. The only exposure I had to those who have been termed "feminists" were those "elder savages". The ones who say you can't wear pink dresses and be a feminist. The ones who say you can't be a stay-at-home mother and be a feminist. The ones who call you an enemy of the feminist movement if you dare to vote for someone other than the female candidate.

It is only very recently, after many years of gradual change and many grueling arguments with myself and close friends, that I realized my understanding of feminism was completely skewed. I realized that feminism was a much broader concept than what I had been taught. And eventually, when I looked in the mirror, I at last understood that I was seeing a feminist. That I have actually been a feminist my whole life. Because I was that person who would say...I stand for equal rights, but I'm not a feminist. I want to fight for the same things that feminists fight for, but I don't want to be seen as one of *those* feminists.

Feminist was a bad word. For some people very close to me, it still is. Even now, I hesitate to admit what I now know about myself. I still hesitate to admit it to myself. I hate to say it, but the word "feminist" just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And it may take some time for that to go away. I hope that one day I will be able to get the guts up to say it out loud to the people who are close to me. In the meantime, though, I will live it to the best of my ability. So that when that day comes, it might "surprise" them that a feminist can be someone like me, not just those people who have cast a dark shadow over the word.
Edited Date: 2016-02-22 08:51 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-02-26 04:31 am (UTC)From: (Anonymous)
On the TV show SCANDAL, this went down: -"There is a special place in hell for women who don't support other women." - Woman -"There's a special place in hell for women who spout that entire quote to justify their bad behaviour." - Olivia

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